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The Search for God at Harvard, by Ari Goldman

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Jun. 22nd, 2005 | 12:49 pm
posted by: maybemonday in casual_order

"For example, in discussing the religious power of the Koran, she told us of a wonderful ceremony that takes place when a boy reaches the age of four years, four months and four days. On this day, the boy is dressed up like a little bridegroom and sent to sechool to recite his first verse of the Koran. The verse is written in honey on a slate and, after the boy masters it, the honey is dissolved in water. The boy drinks the sweet holy words as a spiritual and physical nourishment.

...One legend has it that the buzzes of bees are the words of the Koran. Why else would honey be so sweet?

Like other faiths, Islam struggles with the question of human suffering and why some prayers are answered and some are not. One teaching says that man is like the nightingale. God keeps man in cages because He loves the music of his prayers. If He is slow to answer, it is only because He loves the song and does not want it to end."

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achanceecho

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from: achanceecho
date: Jul. 11th, 2005 03:55 am (UTC)
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Doesn't that mean that God likes our suffering then?

Isn't that like when serial killers play with people beforehand??

They like to hear the screams??

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(crow girl)

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from: sanslimites
date: Jul. 21st, 2005 07:05 am (UTC)
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heh
leading to, perhaps, is sadism inherently evil? ^_^
I don't know, would you call that sadism?

Pleasure from suffering is not such a bad thing...

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Thidwick, the Big-Hearted Moose

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from: maybemonday
date: Jul. 21st, 2005 02:21 pm (UTC)
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*blink*

You Mord-Sith, you ;)

How do you mean?

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Thidwick, the Big-Hearted Moose

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from: maybemonday
date: Jul. 21st, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC)
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Do you mean because suffering can sometimes bring about a positive result?

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 27th, 2005 03:48 am (UTC)
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Do you mean pleasure as in striving thru the pain? Like when you exercise afterwhile it's not so bad-the point where you push yourself to a brink and everything's that much clearer?

Or do we have a more...*interesting* relationship with Andy? wink wink

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(crow girl)

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from: sanslimites
date: Jul. 27th, 2005 03:23 pm (UTC)
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heh. It would figure that you'd read into that. *rolls eyes*

That's sort of it, Sarah...

The best way I can think to describe it is pretty much the reason I like war movies. Sorry I don't have a more intellectual example, but it's a weird thought to put into words.

War movies. I love them, have grown up with them, they're really some of the only movies I'll ever connect with. It's not that I'm bloodthirsty, or enjoy killing, or watching people suffer. There's really little pleasant in it- war is ignominious, terrible, and inglorious. But war tends to put people at their most desperate. Suddenly, there's no guarentee they're still alive, ultimately there's little they can do about it. But it's almost like that desperation brings out the personality even more- whether it to find strength or have none, to do what was necessary or to run from it all. And this appeals to me terribly- not "ha ha, look at the pitiful things rolling in blood"- but look, look what it pulls out of these people, look what they do, see what they find. These- are humans too, here is your primal nature.

Pain, I've always said, is irrelevant. And suffering isn't nearly as important as everyone makes it out to be. But everyone tends to think I'm nuts.

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(crow girl)

I like this selection....

from: sanslimites
date: Jul. 21st, 2005 07:03 am (UTC)
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I like the thought of... drinking the holy water. Some motion that those words are so much more than that, the thought of internalising it in such a way... as a sustaining force.
So many christians, as usual, would find it bizarre, unnecessary, questionable. I wish some of our traditions could have faith like that.

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